Paul Heyman Refuses To Comment On CM Punk, Talks About SummerSlam & More

The following are highlights of a new Complex Magazine interview with Paul Heyman:

There was a great moment on Monday Night Raw this past week for Hulk Hogan’s birthday with the appearances of Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Rowdy Piper, and others. Although there wasn’t a punch thrown between Brock Lesnar and John Cena, everyone was on the edge of their seat. If you were booking that angle, what would you do differently?

I view that incident from Monday Night Raw differently than you do. I view it as that Brock Lesnar punked out a ring full of WWE Hall of Famers, including the immortal Hulk Hogan. And John Cena thought he was going to play Superman—gonna be a hero—and dived into the ring, but didn’t have what it takes to jump on Brock Lesnar.

Okay, that’s fair. You’ve talked about it a lot this week, but two days away, how do you see the Cena/Lesnar match playing out at SummerSlam?

I’ll be happy to tell you what’s gonna happen Sunday. I’ll save you the time and the effort of scratching your head trying to figure out where this leads. Brock Lesnar is going to deliver a beating to John Cena, the likes of which John Cena has never experienced in his life. When Brock Lesnar is done sadistically smacking around John Cena, Brock Lesnar will hoist John Cena up on his mammoth shoulders. Brock Lesnar will F5 John Cena. Brock Lesnar will pin John Cena. And Brock Lesnar will go on to be the reigning, defending, undisputed WWE heavyweight champion of the world.

Before this interview, I revisited “Stone Cold” Steve Austin’s podcast and you said that you still talk to CM Punk and that’s he’s a friend—he’ll always be a friend. Have you spoken to him recently? And do you guys have a “no-wrestling policy” when you guys talk now?

It would be very uncomfortable to describe to anyone any personal conversations I have with anybody. It would be akin to me saying, “So what did you and your wife talk about at the dinner table last night?” Or, “Hey, I heard you went to the baseball game with your best friend, what was he talking to you about?” The answer is, to the entire world, none of your business. Whether Punk and I have a “no-wrestling policy” or a “no-music policy” or a “no-religion policy,” that’s between us. And since we’re not marketing anything in public together, I’m hesitant in describing anything regarding a conversation I would have with—whether it’s CM Punk, or any other friend of mine.

Understood. Switching gears, you’re known for your superb skills on the microphone. In your opinion, of those wrestler that you have worked with, who is the best of all time in terms of cutting a promo?

That I’ve worked with in terms of writing and producing for them? Or in terms of teaching them? Or in terms of, “I’m on the same roster at the same time I watch that guy and I say, ‘Oh my God, he’s great’”?

I think the last criteria broadens the scope a bit…

I think John Cena has been on top for over 10 years because he understands how to convey his message to his audience. I think “Stone Cold” Steve Austin has revolutionized the way in which a character on a wrestling program can speak. I think that when Vince McMahon was opposed against “Stone Cold” Steve Austin, there were things that he said and things that he did that were absolutely brilliant and ground-breaking and changed the sculpt of the villain in professional wrestling. So there are a lot of people that I watched—hey, The Rock is one of the biggest movie stars of the past decade. There’s a reason for it: He understands how to convey his message. And he learned that in front of a live audience in WWE, so how could you not include him on that list? There are others that are coming up—I thought the work that Punk did as Champion was simply brilliant and ground-breaking and trend setting, so I would be remiss not to include him on this list as well.

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    • The Man From Jonestown

      It’s time to stop asking about Punk and reporting his every little move. He’s done. He left on bad terms, too. And Punk strikes me as the kind of guy who if he says he’s done, and left the way he did, he’ll mean it for a very long time. There’s no point in clinging to an ex.

      • Forceton Banfodder

        Such bad terms that the WWE has left the door wide open for him to come back.

        • The Man From Jonestown

          Such bad terms that Paul Heyman himself said: “I think Punk’s mindset is that he’s never going to go back. And the WWE’s mindset is that they’re never going to have him back.” He said that like only last week.

          When you abandon your contract and leave millions on the table because you hate your job that much? It’s certainly not “good terms”. The WWE leaves the door open for every wrestler with the exception of a small few. Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan had the door opened. They leave on Good terms, too?

          • Forceton Banfodder

            I’m not debating Punk’s mindset.

            Merely pointing out that the WWE hasn’t let that bridge burn.

            • The Man From Jonestown

              I can agree with that. They didn’t sue him or do a “Took his ball” episode. I still think it’s unlikely we’ll ever see him wrestle for the WWE again, though. We’d probably sooner see him in Japan.

            • NXTAmbrose

              I agree. Good post

            • Mr_Shrimp_Vendor

              I don’t know, I’m currently of the mindset that when CM Punk left, he declaired himself officially retired from wrestling for good (if not for a long time).

      • esnips

        WWE’s product is so bad right now, CM punk can kick Vince in the balls and they’ll still welcome him back with open arms.

        • Gotstodobetter

          The product wasn’t any better when he was still there lol

    • Undertaker316
    • Howard

      man people are just so nosey nowadays

    • Buzzard Follower

      Cm punk why must every single interview with heyman must he be asked about cm punk. after 7 months why are people still asking about cm punk and what hes up too.

    • Feelmemore

      Heyman has answered all there is to be answered about Punk, and that was more than enough.

    • Tyler Jager

      • Brody

        He loves him.

    • Brody

      I also refuse to comment on CM Punk… but I will show this:
      Desperate CM Punk pulling a Tyson

      • gdaddy1971

        You’re an idiot.

        • Brody

          As Paul Heyman would say, thank you for your irrelevant opinion.

          Not everybody likes CM Punk. Go back to sucking on your gdaddy c0ock like the bi#ch you are if you can’t handle it.

      • Johnny B Bad

        You do know the WWE is scripted right? I’m sure they talked about “pulling a Mike Tyson” during the rehearsal for that match.

        • Brody

          Ginger. You f’n dork. No….. I thought wrestling was real this whole entire time…. oooo shiit….. wow… it’s scripted? 0_o……. I had nooooooooooooooooooooooo idea dude……. o shiiiiiiiiiit. -_-

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    • Brody
      Hey Punk… remember this from last year. Being out shined and out performed by a part timer.

    • Brody
      More Summer Slam rewind… Part timer Brock Lesnar taking this punk to school.

    • Scott

      If Heyman got to speak about what they really talked about i would imagine it would go something like this “The reason i left is because for 3 years i was the top dog from 2011-2014 i was one of the 3 biggest stars in the company and for 2 years straight we had to watch a Rock/Cena match as the Main Event at Wrestlemania, and after that i was thrown so far down the card that i didnt want to participate anymore. It should have been Me vs Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania in the Main Event not Batista vs Orton”

    • brad

      I’m a Paul Heyman guy.